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move to git.

hans_bakker
As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
git allows for better branching and merging.

Regards,
Hans
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Re: move to git.

taher
Hi Hans,

I whole heartedly agree. I was totally (still am) amazed by the countless
features and speed of this version control system. Furthermore it would
make my contributions a lot faster because of its distributed nature where
I can easily branch out locally.

One more benefit would be the ability to adopt a more powerful branching
model such as http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/

Taher Alkhateeb
On Apr 20, 2015 7:39 AM, "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major contributors
> are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further, git allows for
> better branching and merging.
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
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Re: move to git.

Adrian Crum-3
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I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."

Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and
you are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.

This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
dragged kicking and screaming into using it.

Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com

On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
> git allows for better branching and merging.
>
> Regards,
> Hans
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Re: move to git.

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.

But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create local
branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's then
hard to review and too late to share ideas.

So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to use a -1 if necessary!

Jacques

Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :

> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>
> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and you
> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>
> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>
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Re: move to git.

Pierre Smits
If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.
>
> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create local
> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging
> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's then
> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>
> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to use
> a -1 if necessary!
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>
>> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>
>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and you
>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>
>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>
>> Adrian Crum
>> Sandglass Software
>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>
>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>
>>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: move to git.

taher
One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is _merging_
them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in that
area.

It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
anyone of the merits.

My 2 cents

Taher Alkhateeb
On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.
> >
> > But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
> > the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
> local
> > branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging
> > before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
> > possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
> > reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
> then
> > hard to review and too late to share ideas.
> >
> > So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
> use
> > a -1 if necessary!
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> >
> > Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> >
> >> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
> >>
> >> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
> >> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and
> you
> >> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
> >>
> >> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
> >> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
> >>
> >> Adrian Crum
> >> Sandglass Software
> >> www.sandglass-software.com
> >>
> >> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>
> >>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
> git
> >>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
> >>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
> >>> git allows for better branching and merging.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hans
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: move to git.

Adrian Crum-3
I am thoroughly familiar with Git. I've used it on on three projects,
and that is why I don't like it.

I have a far easier time merging branches with Subversion. Git always
screws things up.

I don't need to be convinced of anything. I have my experience and my
opinion. But still, I'm not opposed to switching to Git.

Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com

On 4/20/2015 11:08 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:

> One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is _merging_
> them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in that
> area.
>
> It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
> unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
> level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
> anyone of the merits.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Taher Alkhateeb
> On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>> Services and Retail & Trade
>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.
>>>
>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
>> local
>>> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging
>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
>> then
>>> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>
>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
>> use
>>> a -1 if necessary!
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and
>> you
>>>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
>> git
>>>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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Re: move to git.

Pierre Smits
I am also familiar with Git.

Please don't project your uncertainties regarding the expertise and
experiences of other as their traits. And don't confuse advancement with
suitability. A rocket ship is more advanced than a bike. But that doesn't
mean it is suitable for more than just hauling stuff into space.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Adrian Crum <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> I am thoroughly familiar with Git. I've used it on on three projects, and
> that is why I don't like it.
>
> I have a far easier time merging branches with Subversion. Git always
> screws things up.
>
> I don't need to be convinced of anything. I have my experience and my
> opinion. But still, I'm not opposed to switching to Git.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
> On 4/20/2015 11:08 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
>
>> One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is _merging_
>> them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in that
>> area.
>>
>> It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
>> unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
>> level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
>> anyone of the merits.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>>
>> Taher Alkhateeb
>> On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>  If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
>>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need
>>>> Git.
>>>>
>>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
>>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
>>>>
>>> local
>>>
>>>> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
>>>> exchanging
>>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
>>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
>>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
>>>>
>>> then
>>>
>>>> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>>
>>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
>>>>
>>> use
>>>
>>>> a -1 if necessary!
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>  I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
>>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and
>>>>>
>>>> you
>>>
>>>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
>>>>>>
>>>>> git
>>>
>>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: move to git.

Adrian Crum-3
That's the point I was trying to make. Our needs in this project are
pretty basic, and Subversion handles those needs well. Git will merely
make things unnecessarily complicated.

At ApacheCon, the motivations for switching to Git were not related to
OFBiz project management, but were related to local management of
OFBiz-based projects. The common complaint was connecting local Git
repositories to the project's Subversion repository. So, switching the
project to Git will make life easier for some.

Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com

On 4/20/2015 11:31 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

> I am also familiar with Git.
>
> Please don't project your uncertainties regarding the expertise and
> experiences of other as their traits. And don't confuse advancement with
> suitability. A rocket ship is more advanced than a bike. But that doesn't
> mean it is suitable for more than just hauling stuff into space.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Adrian Crum <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I am thoroughly familiar with Git. I've used it on on three projects, and
>> that is why I don't like it.
>>
>> I have a far easier time merging branches with Subversion. Git always
>> screws things up.
>>
>> I don't need to be convinced of anything. I have my experience and my
>> opinion. But still, I'm not opposed to switching to Git.
>>
>> Adrian Crum
>> Sandglass Software
>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>
>> On 4/20/2015 11:08 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
>>
>>> One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is _merging_
>>> them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in that
>>> area.
>>>
>>> It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
>>> unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
>>> level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
>>> anyone of the merits.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents
>>>
>>> Taher Alkhateeb
>>> On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
>>>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need
>>>>> Git.
>>>>>
>>>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
>>>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
>>>>>
>>>> local
>>>>
>>>>> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
>>>>> exchanging
>>>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
>>>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
>>>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
>>>>>
>>>> then
>>>>
>>>>> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
>>>>>
>>>> use
>>>>
>>>>> a -1 if necessary!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>   I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
>>>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and
>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> git
>>>>
>>>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>>>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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Re: move to git.

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
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I have used Git on a project last year for 9 months, enough to get an idea I believe.
I don't say it's bad by itself, I say it's bad for the community

Jacques

Le 20/04/2015 12:08, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

> One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is _merging_
> them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in that
> area.
>
> It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
> unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
> level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
> anyone of the merits.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Taher Alkhateeb
> On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>> Services and Retail & Trade
>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.
>>>
>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
>> local
>>> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging
>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
>> then
>>> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>
>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
>> use
>>> a -1 if necessary!
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and
>> you
>>>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
>> git
>>>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: move to git.

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
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+1, well summarised Adrian!

Jacques

Le 20/04/2015 12:39, Adrian Crum a écrit :

> That's the point I was trying to make. Our needs in this project are pretty basic, and Subversion handles those needs well. Git will merely make
> things unnecessarily complicated.
>
> At ApacheCon, the motivations for switching to Git were not related to OFBiz project management, but were related to local management of OFBiz-based
> projects. The common complaint was connecting local Git repositories to the project's Subversion repository. So, switching the project to Git will
> make life easier for some.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
> On 4/20/2015 11:31 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>> I am also familiar with Git.
>>
>> Please don't project your uncertainties regarding the expertise and
>> experiences of other as their traits. And don't confuse advancement with
>> suitability. A rocket ship is more advanced than a bike. But that doesn't
>> mean it is suitable for more than just hauling stuff into space.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>> Services and Retail & Trade
>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Adrian Crum <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I am thoroughly familiar with Git. I've used it on on three projects, and
>>> that is why I don't like it.
>>>
>>> I have a far easier time merging branches with Subversion. Git always
>>> screws things up.
>>>
>>> I don't need to be convinced of anything. I have my experience and my
>>> opinion. But still, I'm not opposed to switching to Git.
>>>
>>> Adrian Crum
>>> Sandglass Software
>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>
>>> On 4/20/2015 11:08 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is _merging_
>>>> them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in that
>>>> area.
>>>>
>>>> It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
>>>> unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
>>>> level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
>>>> anyone of the merits.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>
>>>> Taher Alkhateeb
>>>> On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
>>>>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>
>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need
>>>>>> Git.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
>>>>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
>>>>>>
>>>>> local
>>>>>
>>>>>> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
>>>>>> exchanging
>>>>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
>>>>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
>>>>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
>>>>>>
>>>>> then
>>>>>
>>>>>> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
>>>>>>
>>>>> use
>>>>>
>>>>>> a -1 if necessary!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
>>>>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> git
>>>>>
>>>>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>>>>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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Pierre Smits
@Jacques: is your +1 to be regarded as a yes vote fore moving to git? I am
getting confused somehow.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1, well summarised Adrian!
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 20/04/2015 12:39, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>
>> That's the point I was trying to make. Our needs in this project are
>> pretty basic, and Subversion handles those needs well. Git will merely make
>> things unnecessarily complicated.
>>
>> At ApacheCon, the motivations for switching to Git were not related to
>> OFBiz project management, but were related to local management of
>> OFBiz-based projects. The common complaint was connecting local Git
>> repositories to the project's Subversion repository. So, switching the
>> project to Git will make life easier for some.
>>
>> Adrian Crum
>> Sandglass Software
>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>
>> On 4/20/2015 11:31 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>
>>> I am also familiar with Git.
>>>
>>> Please don't project your uncertainties regarding the expertise and
>>> experiences of other as their traits. And don't confuse advancement with
>>> suitability. A rocket ship is more advanced than a bike. But that doesn't
>>> mean it is suitable for more than just hauling stuff into space.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Adrian Crum <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I am thoroughly familiar with Git. I've used it on on three projects,
>>>> and
>>>> that is why I don't like it.
>>>>
>>>> I have a far easier time merging branches with Subversion. Git always
>>>> screws things up.
>>>>
>>>> I don't need to be convinced of anything. I have my experience and my
>>>> opinion. But still, I'm not opposed to switching to Git.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2015 11:08 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is
>>>>> _merging_
>>>>> them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in
>>>>> that
>>>>> area.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
>>>>> unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
>>>>> level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
>>>>> anyone of the merits.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>>
>>>>> Taher Alkhateeb
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we
>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Git.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  local
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
>>>>>>> exchanging
>>>>>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core
>>>>>>> commits
>>>>>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  then
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  use
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  a -1 if necessary!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a
>>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>>>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>>>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>>>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  git
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome,
>>>>>>>>> further,
>>>>>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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Jacques Le Roux
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Sorry, I mean I second Adrian's explanation which is obviously not to vote for moving to Git
And If you read the thread you will see I already said: " a -1 if necessary!"

Jacques

Le 20/04/2015 13:05, Pierre Smits a écrit :

> @Jacques: is your +1 to be regarded as a yes vote fore moving to git? I am
> getting confused somehow.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> +1, well summarised Adrian!
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 20/04/2015 12:39, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>
>>> That's the point I was trying to make. Our needs in this project are
>>> pretty basic, and Subversion handles those needs well. Git will merely make
>>> things unnecessarily complicated.
>>>
>>> At ApacheCon, the motivations for switching to Git were not related to
>>> OFBiz project management, but were related to local management of
>>> OFBiz-based projects. The common complaint was connecting local Git
>>> repositories to the project's Subversion repository. So, switching the
>>> project to Git will make life easier for some.
>>>
>>> Adrian Crum
>>> Sandglass Software
>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>
>>> On 4/20/2015 11:31 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am also familiar with Git.
>>>>
>>>> Please don't project your uncertainties regarding the expertise and
>>>> experiences of other as their traits. And don't confuse advancement with
>>>> suitability. A rocket ship is more advanced than a bike. But that doesn't
>>>> mean it is suitable for more than just hauling stuff into space.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Adrian Crum <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I am thoroughly familiar with Git. I've used it on on three projects,
>>>>> and
>>>>> that is why I don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a far easier time merging branches with Subversion. Git always
>>>>> screws things up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't need to be convinced of anything. I have my experience and my
>>>>> opinion. But still, I'm not opposed to switching to Git.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2015 11:08 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   One of the most difficult and challenging issue with branches is
>>>>>> _merging_
>>>>>> them. Git is a tool that is far more advanced in its feature set in
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems some of the opinions expressed against git are due to
>>>>>> unfamiliarity. The only way to be convinced is to try it on an advanced
>>>>>> level as i don't think an email thread would be enough for convincing
>>>>>> anyone of the merits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taher Alkhateeb
>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2015 12:54 PM, "Pierre Smits" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Git.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   local
>>>>>>>   branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
>>>>>>>> exchanging
>>>>>>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core
>>>>>>>> commits
>>>>>>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   then
>>>>>>>   hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>>>>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   use
>>>>>>>   a -1 if necessary!
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a
>>>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   you
>>>>>>>   are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>>>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>>>>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>>>>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>>>>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   git
>>>>>>>   for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome,
>>>>>>>>>> further,
>>>>>>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: move to git.

Christian Carlow-OFBizzer
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SVN allows for a local branching?  Believing git only allows this was
the main reason for my recent switch.  Are commit privileges not
necessary for the creation of such an svn branch as is the case with
git?

On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 11:54 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:

> If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.
> >
> > But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
> > the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create local
> > branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging
> > before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
> > possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
> > reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's then
> > hard to review and too late to share ideas.
> >
> > So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to use
> > a -1 if necessary!
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> >
> > Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> >
> >> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
> >>
> >> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
> >> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and you
> >> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
> >>
> >> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
> >> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
> >>
> >> Adrian Crum
> >> Sandglass Software
> >> www.sandglass-software.com
> >>
> >> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>
> >>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
> >>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
> >>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
> >>> git allows for better branching and merging.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hans
> >>>
> >>
> >>


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Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Le 20/04/2015 20:37, Christian Carlow a écrit :
> SVN allows for a local branching?  Believing git only allows this was
> the main reason for my recent switch.  Are commit privileges not
> necessary for the creation of such an svn branch as is the case with
> git?

No, clearly Git allows more than Svn (both cases above for instance), but it does not mean that its the solution for OFBiz

Note that you have also OFBiz at https://github.com/apache/ofbiz if you need local branching...

Jacques


>
> On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 11:54 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:
>> If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
>> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>> Services and Retail & Trade
>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.
>>>
>>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
>>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create local
>>> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging
>>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
>>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
>>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's then
>>> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
>>>
>>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to use
>>> a -1 if necessary!
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
>>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and you
>>>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
>>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
>>>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
>>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
>>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>
>
>
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Re: move to git.

Christian Carlow-OFBizzer
Thanks for clarifying Jacques,

I switched to git a few weeks ago because it allows non-committers like
myself to develop as if having svn committer privilege.  Having the
ability to create and switch between branches for my JIRA issues was
very liberating and convenient for generating patches.  If svn cannot
provide non-committers the same freedom then the git switch seems more
worthy.

On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 20:55 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Le 20/04/2015 20:37, Christian Carlow a écrit :
> > SVN allows for a local branching?  Believing git only allows this was
> > the main reason for my recent switch.  Are commit privileges not
> > necessary for the creation of such an svn branch as is the case with
> > git?
>
> No, clearly Git allows more than Svn (both cases above for instance), but it does not mean that its the solution for OFBiz
>
> Note that you have also OFBiz at https://github.com/apache/ofbiz if you need local branching...
>
> Jacques
>
>
> >
> > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 11:54 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >> If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
> >> doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Pierre Smits
> >>
> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> >> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> >> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> >> Services and Retail & Trade
> >> http://www.orrtiz.com
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> >> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need Git.
> >>>
> >>> But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
> >>> the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create local
> >>> branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without exchanging
> >>> before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have this
> >>> possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
> >>> reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's then
> >>> hard to review and too late to share ideas.
> >>>
> >>> So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to use
> >>> a -1 if necessary!
> >>>
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
> >>>>
> >>>> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple
> >>>> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands, and you
> >>>> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
> >>>> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Adrian Crum
> >>>> Sandglass Software
> >>>> www.sandglass-software.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to git
> >>>>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
> >>>>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
> >>>>> git allows for better branching and merging.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Hans
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >


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Re: move to git.

Nicolas Malin-2
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Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a simple problem.
I have the same feeling

Nicolas
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Re: move to git.

Pierre Smits
In reply to this post by Christian Carlow-OFBizzer
I have currently multiple local development branches in our SVN and they
are SVN based and they are all of the same bases at
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz.

And yes, I have commit privileges.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Christian Carlow <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> SVN allows for a local branching?  Believing git only allows this was
> the main reason for my recent switch.  Are commit privileges not
> necessary for the creation of such an svn branch as is the case with
> git?
>
> On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 11:54 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
> > doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need
> Git.
> > >
> > > But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
> > > the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
> local
> > > branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
> exchanging
> > > before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have
> this
> > > possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
> > > reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
> then
> > > hard to review and too late to share ideas.
> > >
> > > So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
> use
> > > a -1 if necessary!
> > >
> > > Jacques
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> > >
> > >> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a
> simple
> > >> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands,
> and you
> > >> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
> > >>
> > >> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
> > >> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
> > >>
> > >> Adrian Crum
> > >> Sandglass Software
> > >> www.sandglass-software.com
> > >>
> > >> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
> git
> > >>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
> > >>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
> > >>> git allows for better branching and merging.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Hans
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
>
>
>
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Re: move to git.

Christian Carlow-OFBizzer
Thanks Pierre,

I switched to git because committer privileges don't have to be granted
before non-committers have access to development freedoms such as branch
creations for conveniencies such as patch creation.  Such a system seems
to promote more open source collaboration.

On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 21:49 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:

> I have currently multiple local development branches in our SVN and they
> are SVN based and they are all of the same bases at
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz.
>
> And yes, I have commit privileges.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Christian Carlow <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > SVN allows for a local branching?  Believing git only allows this was
> > the main reason for my recent switch.  Are commit privileges not
> > necessary for the creation of such an svn branch as is the case with
> > git?
> >
> > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 11:54 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we are
> > > doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that today.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we need
> > Git.
> > > >
> > > > But there is one other major reason which has already been discussed in
> > > > the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to create
> > local
> > > > branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
> > exchanging
> > > > before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have
> > this
> > > > possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core commits
> > > > reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and it's
> > then
> > > > hard to review and too late to share ideas.
> > > >
> > > > So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not hesitate to
> > use
> > > > a -1 if necessary!
> > > >
> > > > Jacques
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
> > > >>
> > > >> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a
> > simple
> > > >> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one understands,
> > and you
> > > >> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown reasons.
> > > >>
> > > >> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will be
> > > >> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Adrian Crum
> > > >> Sandglass Software
> > > >> www.sandglass-software.com
> > > >>
> > > >> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from svn to
> > git
> > > >>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
> > > >>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome, further,
> > > >>> git allows for better branching and merging.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards,
> > > >>> Hans
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> >
> >
> >


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Re: move to git.

Pierre Smits
Thanks for what, Christian?

Ah.... It seems you're misunderstanding me as I might have been a bit to
brief. I have commit privileges in other projects. I don't have that
privilege in this project.

By the way, I have seen your recent git coalescence/aggregation regarding
various issues into one big-sized patch. Affecting multiple components.
This is, I surmise, the result of the way Git is utilised as a change
integration tool from various private development branches before
submitting patches/promoted. Which is a bit harder to achieve in SVN.

At the moment I am not certain whether to llike or dislike the end result
(the patch in question).

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Christian Carlow <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Pierre,
>
> I switched to git because committer privileges don't have to be granted
> before non-committers have access to development freedoms such as branch
> creations for conveniencies such as patch creation.  Such a system seems
> to promote more open source collaboration.
>
> On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 21:49 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > I have currently multiple local development branches in our SVN and they
> > are SVN based and they are all of the same bases at
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz.
> >
> > And yes, I have commit privileges.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Christian Carlow <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > SVN allows for a local branching?  Believing git only allows this was
> > > the main reason for my recent switch.  Are commit privileges not
> > > necessary for the creation of such an svn branch as is the case with
> > > git?
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 11:54 +0200, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > > If we only want GIT for multiple local development branches, then we
> are
> > > > doing for the wrong reasons. SVN doesn't hinder you in doing that
> today.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Pierre Smits
> > > >
> > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Like Adrian and mostly for the same reasons, I don't believe we
> need
> > > Git.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there is one other major reason which has already been
> discussed in
> > > > > the other common ASF MLs.  As Taher exulted, it's possible to
> create
> > > local
> > > > > branches. So people are able to do a lot of work alone without
> > > exchanging
> > > > > before committing or submitting. It will certainly not help to have
> > > this
> > > > > possibility. Remember our recent discussion on the lack or core
> commits
> > > > > reviews. With Git you end with commits bursts or big patches and
> it's
> > > then
> > > > > hard to review and too late to share ideas.
> > > > >
> > > > > So unlike Adrian, I'm even strongly against it. I will not
> hesitate to
> > > use
> > > > > a -1 if necessary!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jacques
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 20/04/2015 09:53, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > >> I don't agree that "all major contributors are using git."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Personally, I find Git to be an overly complicated solution to a
> > > simple
> > > > >> problem. It frequently does bizarre things that no one
> understands,
> > > and you
> > > > >> are left with things being mysteriously reverted for unknown
> reasons.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This isn't a -1 vote though. I'm just making it clear that I will
> be
> > > > >> dragged kicking and screaming into using it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Adrian Crum
> > > > >> Sandglass Software
> > > > >> www.sandglass-software.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 4/20/2015 5:38 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> As discussed at apachecon in Austin, i propose to switch from
> svn to
> > > git
> > > > >>> for the ofbiz repository. The main reason being that all major
> > > > >>> contributors are using git and contributions are cumbersome,
> further,
> > > > >>> git allows for better branching and merging.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Regards,
> > > > >>> Hans
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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