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Michael Brohl-3
Hi Pierre,

what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to yourself
again?

Regards,

Michael


Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):

>       [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>
> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
> -----------------------------------
>
>      Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>
>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>>                  Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>                  URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>              Project: OFBiz
>>           Issue Type: Improvement
>>           Components: commonext
>>     Affects Versions: Trunk
>>             Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>             Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>             Priority: Minor
>>               Labels: labels, refactoring
>>              Fix For: 16.11.01
>>
>>          Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>
>>
>
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Michael Brohl-3
Hi Pierre,

you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to yourself. Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are doing so?

Thanks,
Michael


> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>:
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to yourself
> again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
>
>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
>>      [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>
>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>>     Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>>
>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>                 Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>>             Project: OFBiz
>>>          Issue Type: Improvement
>>>          Components: commonext
>>>    Affects Versions: Trunk
>>>            Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>>            Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>>            Priority: Minor
>>>              Labels: labels, refactoring
>>>             Fix For: 16.11.01
>>>
>>>         Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Scott Gray-3
I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the onus
tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.

My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed to
beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?

Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an issue with
it Michael?

Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work towards a
solution.

Regards
Scott


On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Pierre,

you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to yourself.
Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are doing so?

Thanks,
Michael


> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>:
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to yourself
> again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
>
>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
>>      [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

>>
>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>>     Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>>
>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>                 Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>>             Project: OFBiz
>>>          Issue Type: Improvement
>>>          Components: commonext
>>>    Affects Versions: Trunk
>>>            Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>>            Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>>            Priority: Minor
>>>              Labels: labels, refactoring
>>>             Fix For: 16.11.01
>>>
>>>         Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Michael Brohl-3
Hi Scott,

thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.

See my remarks inline.


Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the onus
> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.

Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and
backporting is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.

> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed to
> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
>
> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an issue with
> it Michael?
I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I cannot
remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after they are
finished.

It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they are old.

When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be hidden.

It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification mailing
lists and adds nothing valuable.
>
> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work towards a
> solution.

Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last two
questions to Pierre.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
Regards,
Michael


> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to yourself.
> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are doing so?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to yourself
>> again?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
>>>       [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
>>> -----------------------------------
>>>
>>>      Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>>>
>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>                  Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>>>                  URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>>>              Project: OFBiz
>>>>           Issue Type: Improvement
>>>>           Components: commonext
>>>>     Affects Versions: Trunk
>>>>             Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>>>             Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>>>             Priority: Minor
>>>>               Labels: labels, refactoring
>>>>              Fix For: 16.11.01
>>>>
>>>>          Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [jira] [Assigned] (OFBIZ-8232) Improve Dutch labels for commonext component

Pierre Smits
I apologise for any inconvenience caused.

Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour is not
the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the ASF that
help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools provide way
better means to assess who committed what and when (even for statistical
purposes).

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Scott,
>
> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
>
> See my remarks inline.
>
>
> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
>
>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the onus
>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
>>
>
> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and backporting
> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
>
> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed to
>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
>>
>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an issue
>> with
>> it Michael?
>>
> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I cannot
> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after they are
> finished.
>
> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they are old.
>
> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be hidden.
>
> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification mailing lists
> and adds nothing valuable.
>
>>
>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work towards a
>> solution.
>>
>
> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last two
> questions to Pierre.
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> Regards,
> Michael
>
>
>
> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to
>> yourself.
>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are doing so?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>
>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to yourself
>>> again?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
>>>>       [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
>>>>
>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>
>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>>>>
>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>                  Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>                  URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>              Project: OFBiz
>>>>>           Issue Type: Improvement
>>>>>           Components: commonext
>>>>>     Affects Versions: Trunk
>>>>>             Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>>>>             Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>>>>             Priority: Minor
>>>>>               Labels: labels, refactoring
>>>>>              Fix For: 16.11.01
>>>>>
>>>>>          Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Michael Brohl-3
Pierre,

you are still reassigning lots of old Jiras to yourself without
answering our questions why you are doing so.

Please stop it and give us your reasons why you are doing so.

Thanks,

Michael


Am 02.05.17 um 09:36 schrieb Pierre Smits:

> I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
>
> Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour is not
> the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the ASF that
> help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools provide way
> better means to assess who committed what and when (even for statistical
> purposes).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
>>
>> See my remarks inline.
>>
>>
>> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
>>
>>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the onus
>>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
>>>
>> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and backporting
>> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
>>
>> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed to
>>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
>>>
>>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an issue
>>> with
>>> it Michael?
>>>
>> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I cannot
>> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after they are
>> finished.
>>
>> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they are old.
>>
>> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be hidden.
>>
>> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification mailing lists
>> and adds nothing valuable.
>>
>>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work towards a
>>> solution.
>>>
>> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last two
>> questions to Pierre.
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Regards,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>
>>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to
>>> yourself.
>>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are doing so?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>:
>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>
>>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to yourself
>>>> again?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
>>>>>        [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
>>>>>
>>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
>>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>       Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>>>>>
>>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                   Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>>                   URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>>               Project: OFBiz
>>>>>>            Issue Type: Improvement
>>>>>>            Components: commonext
>>>>>>      Affects Versions: Trunk
>>>>>>              Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>>>>>              Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>>>>>              Priority: Minor
>>>>>>                Labels: labels, refactoring
>>>>>>               Fix For: 16.11.01
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Scott Gray-3
I'm of two minds:
1. Who cares, it's no big deal. If a contributor wants to micro manage
their contributions, so what?
2. It creates unnecessary noise in an already busy mailing list and also
prevents us from knowing which committers are most responsive to
contributions.

I agree with Pierre that it's not difficult to know who committed a
particular issue when that issue is in focus.

This is one of those topics where we don't currently have a policy so we
either need to make one or decide we don't care enough to bother.

Regards
Scott

On 2/05/2017 7:44 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Pierre,
>
> you are still reassigning lots of old Jiras to yourself without answering
> our questions why you are doing so.
>
> Please stop it and give us your reasons why you are doing so.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
> Am 02.05.17 um 09:36 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>
>> I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
>>
>> Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour is not
>> the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the ASF that
>> help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools provide way
>> better means to assess who committed what and when (even for statistical
>> purposes).
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
>>>
>>> See my remarks inline.
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
>>>
>>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the onus
>>>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and
>>> backporting
>>> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
>>>
>>> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed to
>>>
>>>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
>>>>
>>>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an issue
>>>> with
>>>> it Michael?
>>>>
>>>> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I cannot
>>> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after they are
>>> finished.
>>>
>>> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they are
>>> old.
>>>
>>> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be
>>> hidden.
>>>
>>> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification mailing
>>> lists
>>> and adds nothing valuable.
>>>
>>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work towards a
>>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last two
>>> questions to Pierre.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>
>>>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to
>>>> yourself.
>>>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are doing
>>>> so?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <[hidden email]
>>>> >:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>
>>>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to yourself
>>>>> again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
>>>>>
>>>>>>        [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
>>>>>>
>>>>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>>>                   URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira
>>>>>>> /browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>>>               Project: OFBiz
>>>>>>>            Issue Type: Improvement
>>>>>>>            Components: commonext
>>>>>>>      Affects Versions: Trunk
>>>>>>>              Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>>>>>>              Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>>>>>>              Priority: Minor
>>>>>>>                Labels: labels, refactoring
>>>>>>>               Fix For: 16.11.01
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: [jira] [Assigned] (OFBIZ-8232) Improve Dutch labels for commonext component

Pierre Smits
This has been discussed before.

JIRA is a tool for contributors. Intended to provide insight on open issues
and to simply identify who was the lead contributor that brought a closed
issue to a succesful resolution.

It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that they
were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch (in other words: improved
the code base of the project), when another contributor has done all the
legwork (register the issue, investigate it, provide the patch - order of
importance, etc.) and the committer did little more than the commit (which
is part of his obligation to help others and which comes with the
privilege).

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I'm of two minds:
> 1. Who cares, it's no big deal. If a contributor wants to micro manage
> their contributions, so what?
> 2. It creates unnecessary noise in an already busy mailing list and also
> prevents us from knowing which committers are most responsive to
> contributions.
>
> I agree with Pierre that it's not difficult to know who committed a
> particular issue when that issue is in focus.
>
> This is one of those topics where we don't currently have a policy so we
> either need to make one or decide we don't care enough to bother.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 2/05/2017 7:44 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Pierre,
> >
> > you are still reassigning lots of old Jiras to yourself without answering
> > our questions why you are doing so.
> >
> > Please stop it and give us your reasons why you are doing so.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Am 02.05.17 um 09:36 schrieb Pierre Smits:
> >
> >> I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
> >>
> >> Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour is
> not
> >> the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the ASF that
> >> help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools provide
> way
> >> better means to assess who committed what and when (even for statistical
> >> purposes).
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Pierre Smits
> >>
> >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> >> OFBiz based solutions & services
> >>
> >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <
> [hidden email]
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Scott,
> >>>
> >>> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
> >>>
> >>> See my remarks inline.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
> >>>
> >>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the onus
> >>>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and
> >>> backporting
> >>> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
> >>>
> >>> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed to
> >>>
> >>>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
> >>>>
> >>>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an issue
> >>>> with
> >>>> it Michael?
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I
> cannot
> >>> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after they
> are
> >>> finished.
> >>>
> >>> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they are
> >>> old.
> >>>
> >>> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be
> >>> hidden.
> >>>
> >>> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification mailing
> >>> lists
> >>> and adds nothing valuable.
> >>>
> >>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work towards a
> >>>> solution.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last two
> >>> questions to Pierre.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>> Scott
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Pierre,
> >>>>
> >>>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to
> >>>> yourself.
> >>>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are doing
> >>>> so?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Michael
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <
> [hidden email]
> >>>> >:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Pierre,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to
> yourself
> >>>>> again?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>        [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
> >>>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----------------------------------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>                   Key: OFBIZ-8232
> >>>>>>>                   URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira
> >>>>>>> /browse/OFBIZ-8232
> >>>>>>>               Project: OFBiz
> >>>>>>>            Issue Type: Improvement
> >>>>>>>            Components: commonext
> >>>>>>>      Affects Versions: Trunk
> >>>>>>>              Reporter: Pierre Smits
> >>>>>>>              Assignee: Pierre Smits
> >>>>>>>              Priority: Minor
> >>>>>>>                Labels: labels, refactoring
> >>>>>>>               Fix For: 16.11.01
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>> This message was sent by Atlassian JIRA
> >>>>>> (v6.3.15#6346)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
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Scott Gray-3
Hi Pierre,

If I understand correctly, you believe that post-closure assignment should
represent the person who should get the "credit" for the ticket?  What if
multiple people contributed?  What if there was a lot of back and forth
between the reviewers and the patch contributor?  What if the committer had
to rewrite and fix the patch?

To be honest I don't really care who the post-closure ticket assignee is.
The only solid use I can see is for gathering statistics about either
contributor or committer and either way I don't think it's a useful metric
anyway.  One ticket can be 5 minutes work and another can be 5 months so
ticket numbers aren't a useful representation of anything even if we ignore
that multiple people are involved in almost every ticket.

About this comment you made:

> It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that they
> were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch

I've never heard of anyone stating that the post-closure assignee means
anything other than the last person who was assigned to a ticket before it
was closed.  I think you're the only one attempting to add meaning to it.
But hey, who cares, if it means something to you then I don't have an
objection to that.

Regarding the email spam, jira is a real pain for that.  I wish we could
turn off all notifications except for creation and comments, I want to
follow discussions and ignore arbitrary ticket changes.  Or at least turn
those off for the jira mailing list, ticket watchers could still get all
notifications directly.

Regards
Scott

On 3 May 2017 at 01:13, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This has been discussed before.
>
> JIRA is a tool for contributors. Intended to provide insight on open issues
> and to simply identify who was the lead contributor that brought a closed
> issue to a succesful resolution.
>
> It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that they
> were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch (in other words: improved
> the code base of the project), when another contributor has done all the
> legwork (register the issue, investigate it, provide the patch - order of
> importance, etc.) and the committer did little more than the commit (which
> is part of his obligation to help others and which comes with the
> privilege).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm of two minds:
> > 1. Who cares, it's no big deal. If a contributor wants to micro manage
> > their contributions, so what?
> > 2. It creates unnecessary noise in an already busy mailing list and also
> > prevents us from knowing which committers are most responsive to
> > contributions.
> >
> > I agree with Pierre that it's not difficult to know who committed a
> > particular issue when that issue is in focus.
> >
> > This is one of those topics where we don't currently have a policy so we
> > either need to make one or decide we don't care enough to bother.
> >
> > Regards
> > Scott
> >
> > On 2/05/2017 7:44 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Pierre,
> > >
> > > you are still reassigning lots of old Jiras to yourself without
> answering
> > > our questions why you are doing so.
> > >
> > > Please stop it and give us your reasons why you are doing so.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 02.05.17 um 09:36 schrieb Pierre Smits:
> > >
> > >> I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
> > >>
> > >> Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour is
> > not
> > >> the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the ASF
> that
> > >> help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools provide
> > way
> > >> better means to assess who committed what and when (even for
> statistical
> > >> purposes).
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Pierre Smits
> > >>
> > >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > >> OFBiz based solutions & services
> > >>
> > >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <
> > [hidden email]
> > >> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Scott,
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
> > >>>
> > >>> See my remarks inline.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
> > >>>
> > >>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the
> onus
> > >>>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and
> > >>> backporting
> > >>> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
> > >>>
> > >>> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed to
> > >>>
> > >>>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an
> issue
> > >>>> with
> > >>>> it Michael?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I
> > cannot
> > >>> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after they
> > are
> > >>> finished.
> > >>>
> > >>> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they
> are
> > >>> old.
> > >>>
> > >>> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be
> > >>> hidden.
> > >>>
> > >>> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification mailing
> > >>> lists
> > >>> and adds nothing valuable.
> > >>>
> > >>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work
> towards a
> > >>>> solution.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last
> two
> > >>> questions to Pierre.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards
> > >>>> Scott
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>> Michael
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Pierre,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to
> > >>>> yourself.
> > >>>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are
> doing
> > >>>> so?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Michael
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <
> > [hidden email]
> > >>>> >:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Pierre,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to
> > yourself
> > >>>>> again?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Michael
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>        [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
> > >>>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----------------------------------
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>       Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>                   Key: OFBIZ-8232
> > >>>>>>>                   URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira
> > >>>>>>> /browse/OFBIZ-8232
> > >>>>>>>               Project: OFBiz
> > >>>>>>>            Issue Type: Improvement
> > >>>>>>>            Components: commonext
> > >>>>>>>      Affects Versions: Trunk
> > >>>>>>>              Reporter: Pierre Smits
> > >>>>>>>              Assignee: Pierre Smits
> > >>>>>>>              Priority: Minor
> > >>>>>>>                Labels: labels, refactoring
> > >>>>>>>               Fix For: 16.11.01
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>           Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> This message was sent by Atlassian JIRA
> > >>>>>> (v6.3.15#6346)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [jira] [Assigned] (OFBIZ-8232) Improve Dutch labels for commonext component

Pierre Smits
If multiple parties are involved, I feel confident they can work it out and
reach a consensus.

Like I said, this has been discussed before. Anyway, more on how to work
with JIRA has been written down in our wiki.

That you (and/or anyone else) feels that you are spammed by JIRA is
unfortunate. But having it email to a separate mailing (as the project
decided a while back) should alleviate that sentiment. You (like anyone
else) can unsubscribe from that mailing list to avoid getting notifications
from activities on issues.
I don't particularly believe it to be a good thing for the project to have
INFRA asked to turn it of by default (and maybe it isn't even possible to
do it for 1 project). But if you feel that strong about it, I suggest you
find out.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Pierre,
>
> If I understand correctly, you believe that post-closure assignment should
> represent the person who should get the "credit" for the ticket?  What if
> multiple people contributed?  What if there was a lot of back and forth
> between the reviewers and the patch contributor?  What if the committer had
> to rewrite and fix the patch?
>
> To be honest I don't really care who the post-closure ticket assignee is.
> The only solid use I can see is for gathering statistics about either
> contributor or committer and either way I don't think it's a useful metric
> anyway.  One ticket can be 5 minutes work and another can be 5 months so
> ticket numbers aren't a useful representation of anything even if we ignore
> that multiple people are involved in almost every ticket.
>
> About this comment you made:
>
> > It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that
> they
> > were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch
>
> I've never heard of anyone stating that the post-closure assignee means
> anything other than the last person who was assigned to a ticket before it
> was closed.  I think you're the only one attempting to add meaning to it.
> But hey, who cares, if it means something to you then I don't have an
> objection to that.
>
> Regarding the email spam, jira is a real pain for that.  I wish we could
> turn off all notifications except for creation and comments, I want to
> follow discussions and ignore arbitrary ticket changes.  Or at least turn
> those off for the jira mailing list, ticket watchers could still get all
> notifications directly.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 3 May 2017 at 01:13, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > This has been discussed before.
> >
> > JIRA is a tool for contributors. Intended to provide insight on open
> issues
> > and to simply identify who was the lead contributor that brought a closed
> > issue to a succesful resolution.
> >
> > It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that
> they
> > were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch (in other words:
> improved
> > the code base of the project), when another contributor has done all the
> > legwork (register the issue, investigate it, provide the patch - order of
> > importance, etc.) and the committer did little more than the commit
> (which
> > is part of his obligation to help others and which comes with the
> > privilege).
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > OFBiz based solutions & services
> >
> > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Scott Gray <
> [hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm of two minds:
> > > 1. Who cares, it's no big deal. If a contributor wants to micro manage
> > > their contributions, so what?
> > > 2. It creates unnecessary noise in an already busy mailing list and
> also
> > > prevents us from knowing which committers are most responsive to
> > > contributions.
> > >
> > > I agree with Pierre that it's not difficult to know who committed a
> > > particular issue when that issue is in focus.
> > >
> > > This is one of those topics where we don't currently have a policy so
> we
> > > either need to make one or decide we don't care enough to bother.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > On 2/05/2017 7:44 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pierre,
> > > >
> > > > you are still reassigning lots of old Jiras to yourself without
> > answering
> > > > our questions why you are doing so.
> > > >
> > > > Please stop it and give us your reasons why you are doing so.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 02.05.17 um 09:36 schrieb Pierre Smits:
> > > >
> > > >> I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
> > > >>
> > > >> Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour
> is
> > > not
> > > >> the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the ASF
> > that
> > > >> help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools
> provide
> > > way
> > > >> better means to assess who committed what and when (even for
> > statistical
> > > >> purposes).
> > > >>
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Pierre Smits
> > > >>
> > > >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > > >> OFBiz based solutions & services
> > > >>
> > > >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > > >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > >> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Scott,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> See my remarks inline.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the
> > onus
> > > >>>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and
> > > >>> backporting
> > > >>> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed
> to
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an
> > issue
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>> it Michael?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I
> > > cannot
> > > >>> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after
> they
> > > are
> > > >>> finished.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they
> > are
> > > >>> old.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be
> > > >>> hidden.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification
> mailing
> > > >>> lists
> > > >>> and adds nothing valuable.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work
> > towards a
> > > >>>> solution.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last
> > two
> > > >>> questions to Pierre.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards
> > > >>>> Scott
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Michael
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi Pierre,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to
> > > >>>> yourself.
> > > >>>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are
> > doing
> > > >>>> so?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> Michael
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > >>>> >:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Pierre,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to
> > > yourself
> > > >>>>> again?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Michael
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>        [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
> > > >>>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>       Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>                   Key: OFBIZ-8232
> > > >>>>>>>                   URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira
> > > >>>>>>> /browse/OFBIZ-8232
> > > >>>>>>>               Project: OFBiz
> > > >>>>>>>            Issue Type: Improvement
> > > >>>>>>>            Components: commonext
> > > >>>>>>>      Affects Versions: Trunk
> > > >>>>>>>              Reporter: Pierre Smits
> > > >>>>>>>              Assignee: Pierre Smits
> > > >>>>>>>              Priority: Minor
> > > >>>>>>>                Labels: labels, refactoring
> > > >>>>>>>               Fix For: 16.11.01
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>           Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> This message was sent by Atlassian JIRA
> > > >>>>>> (v6.3.15#6346)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Scott Gray-3
I'm done with this topic but to be clear, I want to read conversations in
jira.  Sifting through pointless emails to get to the discussions is a pain
though, as a quick example 7 out of the last 20 jira emails contain nothing
useful.  Unsubscribing is also not a useful solution for reading those
conversations but thanks for the suggestion I guess.

Regards
Scott

On 3 May 2017 at 18:46, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If multiple parties are involved, I feel confident they can work it out and
> reach a consensus.
>
> Like I said, this has been discussed before. Anyway, more on how to work
> with JIRA has been written down in our wiki.
>
> That you (and/or anyone else) feels that you are spammed by JIRA is
> unfortunate. But having it email to a separate mailing (as the project
> decided a while back) should alleviate that sentiment. You (like anyone
> else) can unsubscribe from that mailing list to avoid getting notifications
> from activities on issues.
> I don't particularly believe it to be a good thing for the project to have
> INFRA asked to turn it of by default (and maybe it isn't even possible to
> do it for 1 project). But if you feel that strong about it, I suggest you
> find out.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pierre,
> >
> > If I understand correctly, you believe that post-closure assignment
> should
> > represent the person who should get the "credit" for the ticket?  What if
> > multiple people contributed?  What if there was a lot of back and forth
> > between the reviewers and the patch contributor?  What if the committer
> had
> > to rewrite and fix the patch?
> >
> > To be honest I don't really care who the post-closure ticket assignee is.
> > The only solid use I can see is for gathering statistics about either
> > contributor or committer and either way I don't think it's a useful
> metric
> > anyway.  One ticket can be 5 minutes work and another can be 5 months so
> > ticket numbers aren't a useful representation of anything even if we
> ignore
> > that multiple people are involved in almost every ticket.
> >
> > About this comment you made:
> >
> > > It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that
> > they
> > > were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch
> >
> > I've never heard of anyone stating that the post-closure assignee means
> > anything other than the last person who was assigned to a ticket before
> it
> > was closed.  I think you're the only one attempting to add meaning to it.
> > But hey, who cares, if it means something to you then I don't have an
> > objection to that.
> >
> > Regarding the email spam, jira is a real pain for that.  I wish we could
> > turn off all notifications except for creation and comments, I want to
> > follow discussions and ignore arbitrary ticket changes.  Or at least turn
> > those off for the jira mailing list, ticket watchers could still get all
> > notifications directly.
> >
> > Regards
> > Scott
> >
> > On 3 May 2017 at 01:13, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > This has been discussed before.
> > >
> > > JIRA is a tool for contributors. Intended to provide insight on open
> > issues
> > > and to simply identify who was the lead contributor that brought a
> closed
> > > issue to a succesful resolution.
> > >
> > > It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that
> > they
> > > were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch (in other words:
> > improved
> > > the code base of the project), when another contributor has done all
> the
> > > legwork (register the issue, investigate it, provide the patch - order
> of
> > > importance, etc.) and the committer did little more than the commit
> > (which
> > > is part of his obligation to help others and which comes with the
> > > privilege).
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > > OFBiz based solutions & services
> > >
> > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Scott Gray <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm of two minds:
> > > > 1. Who cares, it's no big deal. If a contributor wants to micro
> manage
> > > > their contributions, so what?
> > > > 2. It creates unnecessary noise in an already busy mailing list and
> > also
> > > > prevents us from knowing which committers are most responsive to
> > > > contributions.
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Pierre that it's not difficult to know who committed a
> > > > particular issue when that issue is in focus.
> > > >
> > > > This is one of those topics where we don't currently have a policy so
> > we
> > > > either need to make one or decide we don't care enough to bother.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > On 2/05/2017 7:44 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Pierre,
> > > > >
> > > > > you are still reassigning lots of old Jiras to yourself without
> > > answering
> > > > > our questions why you are doing so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please stop it and give us your reasons why you are doing so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am 02.05.17 um 09:36 schrieb Pierre Smits:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > >> the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the
> ASF
> > > that
> > > > >> help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools
> > provide
> > > > way
> > > > >> better means to assess who committed what and when (even for
> > > statistical
> > > > >> purposes).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Best regards,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Pierre Smits
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > > > >> OFBiz based solutions & services
> > > > >>
> > > > >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > > > >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi Scott,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> See my remarks inline.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the
> > > onus
> > > > >>>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and
> > > > >>> backporting
> > > > >>> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he
> contributed
> > to
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an
> > > issue
> > > > >>>> with
> > > > >>>> it Michael?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I
> > > > cannot
> > > > >>> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > >>> finished.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if
> they
> > > are
> > > > >>> old.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would
> be
> > > > >>> hidden.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification
> > mailing
> > > > >>> lists
> > > > >>> and adds nothing valuable.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work
> > > towards a
> > > > >>>> solution.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my
> last
> > > two
> > > > >>> questions to Pierre.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Regards
> > > > >>>> Scott
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> Michael
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hi Pierre,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras
> to
> > > > >>>> yourself.
> > > > >>>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are
> > > doing
> > > > >>>> so?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>> Michael
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > >>>> >:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi Pierre,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to
> > > > yourself
> > > > >>>>> again?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Michael
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>        [ https://issues.apache.org/
> jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
> ]
> > > > >>>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> -----------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>       Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>                   Key: OFBIZ-8232
> > > > >>>>>>>                   URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira
> > > > >>>>>>> /browse/OFBIZ-8232
> > > > >>>>>>>               Project: OFBiz
> > > > >>>>>>>            Issue Type: Improvement
> > > > >>>>>>>            Components: commonext
> > > > >>>>>>>      Affects Versions: Trunk
> > > > >>>>>>>              Reporter: Pierre Smits
> > > > >>>>>>>              Assignee: Pierre Smits
> > > > >>>>>>>              Priority: Minor
> > > > >>>>>>>                Labels: labels, refactoring
> > > > >>>>>>>               Fix For: 16.11.01
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>           Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.
> xml.patch
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
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Re: [jira] [Assigned] (OFBIZ-8232) Improve Dutch labels for commonext component

Michael Brohl-3
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Pierre,

first of all, I don't see why you are separating contributors and
committers. We are all contributors and there is no distinction inside
the Jira workflow.

Jira is a tool to report and track issues, support the workflow to solve
it, document the solution history and discussions around it. The
assignee makes visible who is *currently* working on the issue. The
process starts with the creation of the issue by the reporter and ends
with closing the issue by the last assignee. This can be any
contributor, depending of the kind of issue and the action it takes to
close the issue.

If the last action does not require a commit to the codebase, it can be
any contributor.

If the last action is a commit to the codebase, the last assignee is a
contributor with the role of a committer, naturally. End of process.
It's really simple.

Jira is in no way designed or suitable to track individual's credits or
measure the amount and value of the work a contributor has done for an
issue.

This would require an accepted measurement of all contributions, their
complexity and value and some mechanism to track it along the lifecycle
of the issue. I'm pretty sure we (as a community) don't want this
overhead to suit the needs of a single contributor.

If you want to track your contributions in your self constructed metric
system, please do your bookkeeping outside of Jira and refrain from
producing extra noise for your own needs.

Thanks for your cooperation,

Michael


Am 03.05.17 um 08:46 schrieb Pierre Smits:

> If multiple parties are involved, I feel confident they can work it out and
> reach a consensus.
>
> Like I said, this has been discussed before. Anyway, more on how to work
> with JIRA has been written down in our wiki.
>
> That you (and/or anyone else) feels that you are spammed by JIRA is
> unfortunate. But having it email to a separate mailing (as the project
> decided a while back) should alleviate that sentiment. You (like anyone
> else) can unsubscribe from that mailing list to avoid getting notifications
> from activities on issues.
> I don't particularly believe it to be a good thing for the project to have
> INFRA asked to turn it of by default (and maybe it isn't even possible to
> do it for 1 project). But if you feel that strong about it, I suggest you
> find out.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> If I understand correctly, you believe that post-closure assignment should
>> represent the person who should get the "credit" for the ticket?  What if
>> multiple people contributed?  What if there was a lot of back and forth
>> between the reviewers and the patch contributor?  What if the committer had
>> to rewrite and fix the patch?
>>
>> To be honest I don't really care who the post-closure ticket assignee is.
>> The only solid use I can see is for gathering statistics about either
>> contributor or committer and either way I don't think it's a useful metric
>> anyway.  One ticket can be 5 minutes work and another can be 5 months so
>> ticket numbers aren't a useful representation of anything even if we ignore
>> that multiple people are involved in almost every ticket.
>>
>> About this comment you made:
>>
>>> It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that
>> they
>>> were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch
>> I've never heard of anyone stating that the post-closure assignee means
>> anything other than the last person who was assigned to a ticket before it
>> was closed.  I think you're the only one attempting to add meaning to it.
>> But hey, who cares, if it means something to you then I don't have an
>> objection to that.
>>
>> Regarding the email spam, jira is a real pain for that.  I wish we could
>> turn off all notifications except for creation and comments, I want to
>> follow discussions and ignore arbitrary ticket changes.  Or at least turn
>> those off for the jira mailing list, ticket watchers could still get all
>> notifications directly.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> On 3 May 2017 at 01:13, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> This has been discussed before.
>>>
>>> JIRA is a tool for contributors. Intended to provide insight on open
>> issues
>>> and to simply identify who was the lead contributor that brought a closed
>>> issue to a succesful resolution.
>>>
>>> It should not be used by committers as a mechanism to claim/imply that
>> they
>>> were the sole contributor who scratchted the itch (in other words:
>> improved
>>> the code base of the project), when another contributor has done all the
>>> legwork (register the issue, investigate it, provide the patch - order of
>>> importance, etc.) and the committer did little more than the commit
>> (which
>>> is part of his obligation to help others and which comes with the
>>> privilege).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>
>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Scott Gray <
>> [hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm of two minds:
>>>> 1. Who cares, it's no big deal. If a contributor wants to micro manage
>>>> their contributions, so what?
>>>> 2. It creates unnecessary noise in an already busy mailing list and
>> also
>>>> prevents us from knowing which committers are most responsive to
>>>> contributions.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Pierre that it's not difficult to know who committed a
>>>> particular issue when that issue is in focus.
>>>>
>>>> This is one of those topics where we don't currently have a policy so
>> we
>>>> either need to make one or decide we don't care enough to bother.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 2/05/2017 7:44 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Pierre,
>>>>>
>>>>> you are still reassigning lots of old Jiras to yourself without
>>> answering
>>>>> our questions why you are doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please stop it and give us your reasons why you are doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 02.05.17 um 09:36 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using JIRA as tool to 'blame' a committer when something goes sour
>> is
>>>> not
>>>>>> the best what comes to my mind. There are other services of the ASF
>>> that
>>>>>> help in that respect, such as ViewVC and FishEye. Those tools
>> provide
>>>> way
>>>>>> better means to assess who committed what and when (even for
>>> statistical
>>>>>> purposes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Michael Brohl <
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>>> thanks for trying to clarify and giving your opinion on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See my remarks inline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 30.04.17 um 04:30 schrieb Scott Gray:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would prefer they were left assigned to the committer since the
>>> onus
>>>>>>>> tends to fall on them if there are any post closure issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly what I would prefer also. In most cases the commit and
>>>>>>> backporting
>>>>>>> is the last action taken and should be recorded as such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My guess if that Pierre wants to track what tickets he contributed
>> to
>>>>>>>> beyond being the reporter.  Could you confirm Pierre?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beyond what I've mentioned is there any other reason you have an
>>> issue
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> it Michael?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it is against the natural workflow as mentioned above. I
>>>> cannot
>>>>>>> remember that anyone else assigns tickets back to himself after
>> they
>>>> are
>>>>>>> finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It falsifies the statistics to reassign issues, especially if they
>>> are
>>>>>>> old.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it comes to contributions, the committer contribution would be
>>>>>>> hidden.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It produces unnecessary traffic in Jira and the notification
>> mailing
>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>> and adds nothing valuable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just trying to figure out everyone's reasoning so we can work
>>> towards a
>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Scott, that's what I was trying to achieve also in my last
>>> two
>>>>>>> questions to Pierre.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29/04/2017 11:45 PM, "Michael Brohl" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you are again reassigning lots of old and already closed Jiras to
>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>> Can you please stop this and give us an explanation why you are
>>> doing
>>>>>>>> so?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 23.04.2017 um 15:56 schrieb Michael Brohl <
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what's the reason to reassign old and already closed issues to
>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>>> again?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 23.04.17 um 13:06 schrieb Pierre Smits (JIRA):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8232?page=
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>>>>>>>> Pierre Smits reassigned OFBIZ-8232:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        Assignee: Pierre Smits  (was: Jacopo Cappellato)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Improve Dutch labels for commonext component
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                    Key: OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>>>>>>>                    URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira
>>>>>>>>>>> /browse/OFBIZ-8232
>>>>>>>>>>>                Project: OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>             Issue Type: Improvement
>>>>>>>>>>>             Components: commonext
>>>>>>>>>>>       Affects Versions: Trunk
>>>>>>>>>>>               Reporter: Pierre Smits
>>>>>>>>>>>               Assignee: Pierre Smits
>>>>>>>>>>>               Priority: Minor
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Labels: labels, refactoring
>>>>>>>>>>>                Fix For: 16.11.01
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>            Attachments: OFBIZ-8232-CommonExtUiLabels.xml.patch
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> (v6.3.15#6346)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>


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